30 thoughts on “June 2017 Mesh Body/Head Survey Results

  1. Thanks Daria, a massive job for you to sort it all out. I am interested in reading more about the results later if you post them.

  2. This is great info, but sadly it will lead to fewer offerings for alternative brands. Despite Omega compatibility, few designers make use of Omega for skin and so it’s difficult if you use any head other than Catwa or Lelutka. There are some really great products out there but it’s like pulling teeth to find anything for them. It would be nice if there was some kind of fair for alternative brands, so that it’s possible for occasional products by top makers for brands other than Maitreya, Belleza, Slink, Catwa and Lelutka for women and Slink & Signature for men. But creators think that it’s a waste of time, sadly, though they will take the time to make freebies.

  3. I think Maitreya and Catwa (which I wear) are doing something right, maybe others should be thinking, what are we not doing that they are? I have several bodies and heads (shopping addict!) but the afore mentioned are my favourites and I could not give you a reason other than I like how I look in them.

  4. I think as more things are made for belleza male, more people will use it. The only thing I dislike about it are the hands, they are poorly made and glitchy and the body seems purposefully made not to fit other hands.

    • Sorry bubb I disagree, you can use vista hands AO. I never see any glitches, as long as you use an bento AO, Only time it glitches is if you have shape at odd proportions or an older AO. Just like any other Male body there hands only work with the male Body they come with, Just Like Signature, Niramyth etc. They don’t fit slink hands cause quite frankly only female hands from slink have been recently updated and the male ones are just too dated now.

  5. I came back to SL after a two year hiatus. It was a crash course in Bento before I was fit for public consumption. I’m very surprised by the results tbh. Lelutka was hands down the most user friendly, fresh out of the box looking good head I tried. In terms of tweaking face/head shape it needed minimal adjustments…which for a brand new SL player would be a huge plus. Even for a ten year veteran such as myself, I found other heads so completely frustrating at times I wondered why I was bothering LOL.
    I switch between 3 bodies, Lara, Hourglass and Physique. They all have qualities I love, ease of use and availability of skin appliers are top of the list. Clothing of course is a major factor. One of the deciders for me when purchasing clothes is that they cater for all the aforementioned bodies.
    All in all, mesh and now Bento are such massive leaps forward for our little grid. It has breathed life into a sometimes stagnant fashion industry, relaunched brands that were floundering and inspired older residents to learn new skills. Can’t wait to see what’s next!

    • I totally agree. Until Catwa simplifies her heads I won’t buy one. Lelutka is just so much easier and effortless why would I mess with the hassle of figuring out Catwa.

      I do worry about these results a little because I would hate for designers to stop making for the other brands. I’m sure how well represented each one was.

      • I found Lelutka impossible to use and all the faces have a similar look especially the strange nose area and i used to be a diehard user. Then the Catwa bento stuff came and it really is super easy to use. they have a simple texture that explains every button.

  6. Thank you for putting together this information. I hate how all the most popular brands are also the least creator friendly, what with being no-mod and having their rigging model either inaccurate, or with high requirements to attain. Or both.

    But regardless, the information is interesting. Thank you.

  7. I love this information, thanks for gathering and sorting it! It’s not only interesting, but also very helpful for bloggers and designers alike to see what’s being used. Thank you again!

  8. I am actually surprised aesthetic is so famous since noone wants to make clothing for it….btw MAKE CLOTHING FOR IT!!!

  9. Surveys say what, not why .. here’s my pennyworth.
    I started with TMP. The Aesthetic was too muscled. I wasn’t really happy with TMP. It looked great but the buying experience (and clothing experience before designers caught up) was horrific. Fitmesh didn’t work with it either .. the waist was definitely non-system. So when Gianni came along I went for that (tried slink, but to be honest, not too keen on it). I liked the muscled look although turned the sliders down a bit. Clothing wise .. quite a bit of my old fitmesh worked with Gianni which was a big plus (waist was just about right). The aplhas were OK although T shirts were a pain. I loved the attetion to useability .. like being able to hide feet for wearing shoes and a lot of aplha slots so I could change clothes pretty fast.

    I’m not surprised by the interest in Jake. Body wise it is similar in style to TMP, but a LOT more useable, and TMP doesn’t look like it’s being developed.

    I’m sticking with Gianni. For those who like the gym toned look it’s good. For those who prefer a slimmer leaner look Jake is good.

  10. Wow! Cool info. I wish there were more kawaii clothing for Belleza Freya. She has an awesome figure that you can’t get from other mesh bodies. I see some individuals are making freya but I still want more xD

    • Completely agree with you on that. I am starved for cutesy/kawaii clothes for Belleza and in particular, Freya. Brands who support Belleza have my full support and my money 😀

  11. Thank you so much for doing this poll! I know it took a lot of time, but you are helping so many people make decisions about mesh with this data. I really appreciate it.

    I hope that creators will make more fitmesh for eBody given that it has almost the same market share as Freya and Hourglass. (Bento) fingers crossed! 🙂

  12. As the body it can and popular, but the kit is given out to the designers for storing things on her body is terrible. Maybe after these results, the Maitreya will allocate time and correct errors in the kit

  13. Quite honestly, I’d wear my Belleza Venus more often if there was more fitmesh made for it, but sadly Maitreya has monopolized the market and most designers just don’t feel it’s worth their time to make Venus sizes anymore. This is part of the reason I’ve stopped paying for subscription boxes, I just grew tired of getting clothes that force me to wear a body that isn’t anatomically correct.

    • Maitreya monopilized the market because Belleza bodies had too many issues, especially the Venus body, until their 2.0 rework that did happen way too late.

      And I believe they didn’t made bento hands for the female body yet, that’s over 6 months after official release of bento viewer and close to 8 since beta ones were available, not to mention bento was on the beta grid for another year before that, so creators had all time in the world to prepare and test things before bento even hit the main grid, if they wanted to, of course.
      Although maybe it’s for the best, their male’s body hands are complete mess in their current state (fingers shape is awful and rigging is weird, so certain bento animations cause fingers to bent backwards, which doesn’t happen on Vista and Slink male hands).
      Hopefully it’s gonna get fixed though, I do like the Jake body a lot aside of hands, so does my bf. But with such hands and without an option to use slink ones (slink fit only availabled for the slink feet right now) it’s unusable, at least if someone wants to use bento AO/animations.

      Slink Physique is rather mediocre body in my opinion and was even worse before it got an overhaul too, which is also made some old clothes unusable before creators remade them for the new body.
      TMP was too pricy for the normal version and their HUD system is terrible, plus it never got out of “beta”.

      So Maitreya basically had no competition for over 1.5 years and even after that it was/is rather weak one, so I don’t blame the creators for not even bothering and not making clothes for some of the less popular bodies. If you can invest a certain amount of time into making a new product for the market leader that will sell X copies vs investing same (or even lesser) amount of time into rigging already existing product for way less popular bodies that will sell much less copies, then the choice is pretty obvious. Unless you create just for yourself and for fun, but usually such products are not on the same level of quality as ones from big/popular brands.

  14. Wow Lara still supreme Queen of mesh by an even bigger margin than last year I really expected it to be a bit closer this time around. I am not totally surprised several of my friends have finally given up struggling and switched to Maitreya over the last few months. 1800 people is an amazing response. Wonderful to see Lara and Catwa more popular than ever. I think the market is bigger than ever so even though the smaller less well known products of which many many are not mentioned on the survey are relatively part of a bigger market in general. I have spoken to a relatively small marketshare body creator and they said business is booming more than ever before. It has been so much fun to be a part of gen mesh over the last year and it looks as though there is alot more to come.

  15. This survey is interesting but what about people of colour, the options are limited as far as decent appliers to the mesh head.
    So I have not gotten a mesh head yet. I use Maitreya body with Angel Rock appliers. It has been the best option so far. Angel Rock has skin colour and has come out with her an excellent mesh head but the look is African and she changed the skin tones. I do love the Maitreya Bento updated hands and the update was free. This is great news, but until you can alter mesh heads, I have opted out as I do not look like a barbie. Excellent website btw, have forwarded the link onto others.

  16. 1- I have read some comments and it has given me some fear. People linked to some developers could be making decisions with this data that does not reflect the reality of SL, only shows what people who visit this blog use.
    2- Aesthetic is more popular than these numbers show. How to check it? Easy, check the MP and see the number of products with their name, it is true that has more time in the market than others, but I am sure you can see more than one Aes body daily in SL.
    3- Read comments from people with complaints about the hands of some bodies. Do not forget that slink has a strong position in the market as they have many creators doing things for their hands for a long time. Think about this, if I break my head working in front of a pc creating a mesh body, why I am going to make a great hands if I can not compete with slink ?. People use more slink hands or Bento from Vista.
    4- Something that influences much the market of the bodies is the possibilities of clothes. In this there is something very delicate that threatens a healthy economy in SL. There are creators of clothing that become a monopoly, do not sell their templates in the marketplace (if you see a store of mesh clothes that the owner does not sell their templates in the MP and that store is full all the time… that is one More of the monopoly or oligopoly), this has caused many shops to close that they can not compete with them. What happens when other creators close their businesses because they can no longer create thanks to these monopolies or oligopolies? More land will be abandoned, land owners will return LL their sim and SL plummet.
    In the real world and in SL the economy determines everything. Everything is integrated, everything is connected. There are reports that more and more lands is being abandoneL LL if they reducing its profits increases the exchange rates of L $. Monopoly or oligopoly affects everyone.

    • Marketing Consultant,

      After reading your comments I was reminded of the old defination of a Consultant – Someone who borrows your watch to tell you the time then charges you $1000.

      While I support people’s right to express their opinion, provided it does not incite violence, or contains hate-speak etc and thus am not criticising the fact you put forward your perspective I disagreed with virtually everything you say.

      I pondered the best way to respond to the four points you make and in the end decided that good old Aussie sarcasm was the best approach, so here is my response.

      I was immediately stunned that you reached etc startling conclusion that the statistics collected on this blog “only shows what people who visit this blog use.” How mind-bogglingly insightful, however it is a shame you never considered the possibility people may read several blogs.

  17. I like Catwa and do not like Maitreya, can’t done thin body, it’s angular. But alot of things are for Maitreya and I have no other choice.

    • Yes! I hate the butt, it’s minor round enough,, or perky like the belleza freya and isis bottoms. It looks so odd if you make it bigger , I hate it! most creators make for it , so I don’t have a choice but to use it. The top highest made for mesh body in means of gachas too T.T Maitreya please update the body if you will not create another version like belleza does with their products. The butt is weird.

  18. To some of the people complaining about say for example the Maitreya body, as you spend a longer amount of time in Second Life you will probably end up with 2 or 3 bodies (even if its just to play around with them to see what shapes you can get out of them for example), so it’s no huge deal if you use Maitreya for some clothes and say Slink HG or Belleza Isis for other clothes (like I do).
    Most skin creators make appliers for most bodies or have OMEGA versions that can apply on literally everybody, and most of the popular clothing designers like Blueberry, Addams, Cynful, Insanya, MAddict etc. make all the clothes compatible with Maitreya, Slink (both versions) and Belleza (all versions some even with perky breast options).
    So just like you wear different outfits for different looks, sometimes you will change bodies to match or enhance different looks. Afterall there is no single body that does everything for everybody and satisfies everybody’s tastes in style and proportions. 🙂

  19. a year late but really no utilizator? I see hundreds of people using the kemono body, I would be very interested to see where it ranks among the “normie” body

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